Could you be sitting on a hidden income stream? Have extra space in your home? House hacking might just be the solution. With rising interest rates and housing affordability tightening, Andre’s story is a must for anyone looking to house hack, maximize a current mortgage, or start cash flowing without acquiring a second home. Andre converted his single-family home into a functional duplex, financed the remodel with a HELOC, and leveraged Furnished Finder to attract high-quality tenants all while living upstairs with his family. Let’s dive into Andre’s success story and offer insights on how house hacking can enhance your investment strategy.
What is House Hacking?
House hacking is a real estate strategy that involves renting out a portion of your primary home to offset your mortgage payments, or even make a profit. As Andre Galaviz explains, this practice ranges from renting a room in your house to converting spaces like basements or garage apartments into separate rental units.
Why Consider House Hacking Now?
In today's market, where interest rates may be on the rise and job security can be unpredictable, finding ways to make the most of your existing assets is crucial. House hacking not only provides an extra income stream but also offers financial flexibility. As discussed in the podcast, with interest rates fluctuating between 5% and higher, offsetting these costs through house hacking can be a smart financial move.
Transforming Space into Income
Andre and his family have successfully implemented house hacking strategies, converting basements into rental units and creating dual-income streams from a single property. For homeowners pondering how to put their unused spaces to work, here’s what you need to know:
Assess Your Space: Determine if your basement, garage, or even a spare room can be transformed into a livable rental unit. Consider layout, privacy, and access as key factors.
Understand the Regulations: Before making changes, ensure you are aware of local zoning laws and regulations regarding rental properties in your area.
Secure Financing: If renovations are needed, consider options like a Home Equity Line of Credit (HELOC) to fund the project. As Andre did, leveraging home equity can provide necessary financial support without significant upfront costs.
Optimize for the Market: Use platforms like Furnished Finder (opens in new tab) to list your space. The site offers resources to understand rental demands in your area (opens in new tab), allowing you to price competitively.
Focus on the Monthly Midterm Market: According to Andre, targeting monthly furnished rentals can strike a balance between tenant turnover and income stability. This strategy attracts a variety of renters, from traveling professionals to families in transition.
Advantages of Monthly Rentals
Monthly rentals are especially attractive for homeowners and real estate investors for several reasons:
Flexibility: Unlike long-term leases, med-term rentals provide more flexibility for both landlords and tenants.
Higher Income Potential: These rentals often see 1.5-2x the revenue of long-term agreements.
Lower Maintenance Hassles: With less frequent turnover than short-term rentals, maintenance demands are minimized.
Taking the First Step
Are you ready to unlock the potential of your property? Start by exploring the stats on Furnished Finder's Market Insights (opens in new tab) to understand demand in your area. This data-driven approach can help you identify the best rental strategy for your space.
For a deeper understanding of how to implement house hacking successfully, listen to the full episode of Furnished Finder’s Landlord Diaries, The Monthly Rentals Podcast, featuring Andre Galaviz (opens in new tab). His journey from casual homeowner to savvy real estate investor offers invaluable insights and motivation.
Conclusion
Turning unused space into a profitable venture does not require a significant upheaval. By following proven strategies like house hacking, you can maximize your property’s income potential with confidence. As Andre highlights, the key is to embrace creativity and view this opportunity through a lens of optimism and possibility. With platforms like Furnished Finder (opens in new tab), you have the tools to redefine your income streams, one rental unit at a time.
Episode 151 Transcript
I think that a lot of people are concerned with having other people in their house. I had my wife and my two younger kids, a teenager and then, at the time a 3-year-old. And I think that if you really just plan out how you're gonna lay that out in the securities that you can put in place.
Then I, I think the, you'll find between that and being able to background check people and all of those good things that you just end up with I call them upstairs neighbors. I used to always call 'em our upstairs neighbors. And so you, you get to meet great people and yeah I cast that worry aside.
'cause I think to your point there is a lot of extra potential there to make some extra income. And I think that right now it. It permeates a lot of things. One would be just making extra income, cash flow. The other would be there's a lot of people that are losing jobs, right? So you can actually supplement that income there.
And then the last one would be the interest rates where you can offset that interest rate or offset that mortgage payment with the income that you're making. So even if it's just a room. If it's a shared space, you're gonna find that you can do that pretty easily, and there's a lot of resources out there to help you do it.
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Today's guest, Andre Galaviz, is a real estate professional house hacker and midterm rental landlord based in the Denver, Colorado area, Andre and his family have leaned into creative strategies like converting basements into income producing units, earning over $2,500 in monthly profit from just one house hacked property.
Andre, thank you so much for being here today. How are ya? Doing well, thanks for having me, Kelly. Andre, can you please define house hacking and why you chose to make your basement an income stream? Yeah, sure. House hacking is when somebody lives in the same property as you. In some cases it could be a separate unit in the backyard, or in our case it was the downstairs basement level.
And the reason that we chose that is because at the time COVID had just hit. Their interest rates changed from 3% to 5%. And so we got stuck in a position where we were going to have to stay living in the house, but we wanted to get started on our investment journey. It's a great strategy and I'm looking forward to diving into it and hopefully encouraging others that are listening.
So what was that space being used for before and what was it like converting your single family home into an up down duplex? Good question. So before, we actually just used it as storage space, and we had a really long living room area down there. So during COVID it was really nice because we had just this big play area, but after we figured out what we were going to do, we hired a contractor and we started looking at plans to build that out.
And so we turned that big space into one. Extra bedroom. There was only one bedroom down there. And started working with a contractor to put it all together. So it turned into two bedrooms down there, one en suite room, and we built out a full kitchenette and it cost us around $50,000 to do. Was this your plan all along knowing, like, when you purchased this property, or was it more like an afterthought of, oh, we have this space.
What should we use this for? Tell back, tell us a little bit of how the idea even came to your mind. Yeah, so really during COVID ID we had a lot of extra time on our hands. We sheltered in place and we just picked up books and, YouTube videos, different things like that. One thing led to another with me learning more about real estate and that was it.
I started looking into it. I looked into it further. I thought, wow, this is something that we could do and generate some extra income and ultimately some wealth for our kids. And so that's what really started it. We had no idea we were going to do this before. It was something that came to us during COVID.
And I think you actually were thinking of. Getting an investment property, but realized that it was actually more it was a better opportunity for you to convert your house into an income stream. So what led you to that decision? So we were preparing the upstairs and the downstairs. We were painting, we were dressing up the outside, doing all of those things that you would do when you would normally sell a house.
And while we were doing that, the market was opening up our interest rate of 3%, which we had refinanced during COVID. All of a sudden it was like almost overnight that it shot up to about 5%, five and a half percent. And so that really just changed everything for us. We started thinking, wow, we're not going to leave this property to go to another property and pay a higher interest rate.
And so we started looking at different options on ways that we could get started without selling the house and going into a bigger interest rate and higher mortgage. I think that's incredibly important for listeners to hear because we're somewhat in that situation right now. A lot of people are more or less handcuffed into their interest rates and their houses, right?
So you gotta think, okay, if I don't want to have a new acquisition, how can I use my primary residence? And Andre's turned it into a house hack with a duplex Right? With really sectioning off a part of your property. Correct. That's right. Yeah. You can do it with, you can do it with room rentals.
You can do it a bunch of different ways, but creativity is your friend in this market. It really is. Especially if you feel like, you don't want to. Acquire a new property with the interest rates right now, or you wanna take advantage of the interest rate that you have? Yeah, a lot of people, we're even seeing travelers who are using Furnished Finder to as to find a place to stay while maybe they renovate their kitchen or they finish their basement because they need to move outta their property for six or eight weeks or whatnot.
While they do that, because they don't want to give up that interest rate. And I get it, I'm not moving. My interest rate is, I don't know what it is, but it's less than it currently is. I'm not, you can not pull me outta my house. So I love that. That's right. Yeah. We're under, we are under 3% at that property.
And so even with the interest rate that we got here all of it made sense to do the same kind of thing. So we're really looking for a property and I didn't know it at the time, but it worked out, we just repeated the process. What we looked for was a property. Like our other property, like Mississippi, and that was a garage that connected to both the upstairs and the downstairs.
That creates a separate entrance where you can section off the upstairs altogether with just like a two-way lock. And the downstairs then becomes a separate entrance and a separate location altogether. So you see two income streams from the same property. And so even if your interest rate is higher, you are going to.
Fair better or be able to have some sort of cash flow out of that, even if you're talking about interest rates today, 7% or so. My question really is how many properties do you have now? Are they all duplex or multi-unit? And as you acquired them, did you live in it? And truly house hack because house hacking is really when you are living in a property and making income off of it, right?
And then do you still live in it? Like where are you at now and how did you get there? Help us with that. Sure. Yeah, so the first property was something that I went in with my family on that was a half of a duplex, so an actual traditional duplex side by side. And we just lived in that one. We moved to a new property.
I kept my money in the other property and that's went around COVID. We ended up house hacking that one. So we lived on the bottom level because that was a two bedroom, one bathroom, and the upstairs was a three bedroom, two bathroom. So we knew that we could get. More money and probably more traction with the three bedroom, two bathroom.
So we stayed downstairs and we rented the upstairs. About a year ago we moved out of that property and moved into this new property in Arva and we basically did the same thing. So we recently just deployed Cap we remodeled the downstairs. This time it was around $30,000 and we got that dressed up to go for September 15th.
And we'll be living upstairs this time and we'll have guests downstairs. Yeah I love your just tenacity there because it's not just you, it's you and your family. You've got your wife, couple kids That's right. And you decided to, try out the house hack strategy and it's worked out great for you guys.
So let's wrap up with just a little bit extra on the actual layout, because it's you and your family living in there and the first time you experimented with this rather than getting an event. A separate investment strategy is you actually had lived in the home, I think about three years and then lived in it an additional two years or so while it was a house hack.
So how did you split up the size for your space, for the guest space, and how did you choose which unit to live in? Yeah that's a good question. We really thought that people would not mind living above someone else, and that would be easier than living in the lower level and hearing footsteps and things like that.
And so that's how we decided which level we were going to live on. But then the second piece of that was that. Downstairs was remodeled into a two bedroom, one bathroom, and the upstairs was already a three bedroom, two bathroom. So we remodeled one of those bathrooms that was the en suite bathroom, and we just made sure that it was like a more attractive, a more appealing thing, bigger backyard.
They had, access to the backyard, different things like that. And so we went with that. As our decision we just figured that it would be more attractive and it could yield more cashflow. What about the laundry? Like those, you think about when you're renting a monthly rental this needs more than a short-term rental does.
So how did the laundry work and, the kitchen that you built out in the second space, what was that like? Yeah, the great questions. At first we had a laundry set up just downstairs that was part of the kitchenette. We made it a brand new stackable washer and dryer. I worked remotely from home.
COVID had broke, everybody returned to work, so my wife was outta the house and the kids were out the house, and we would just let the guests upstairs pick two to three days to do laundry. I would just stay in my office and give them hours. So they would basically do laundry between 10:00 AM and 3:00 PM.
It worked out just fine. Then when we moved out we knew that probably wasn't going to be the same kind of comfort level, and we knew we couldn't sell it that way. So we got a stackable washer and dryer put down I'm sorry, upstairs. As well as downstairs, and so we just had two snipper units, washer and dryer upstairs and downstairs, and they all worked.
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All right, Andre, let's get a little bit more into the nitty gritty of how you accomplished this. So I think a lot of people might be thinking, great. I am so happy that you were able to renovate these properties for 50 grand or 30 grand, but I don't have that laying around. Talk to us about how your HELOC strategy played into the renovation process and just kinda.
What that looked like, how you felt during that process and what made you decide to go about this the way that you did? Yeah, so we didn't have that kind of money laying around either. And, we expected to get into another house, but we also wanted to reserve that capital just in case, right?
In case we were in the up moving. And I guess just through watching different things and reading different things, I found out that we had a lot of equity. From already having the property for a couple of years, and so we decided that we were just gonna take out a HELOC and use the HELOC to pay for the lower level remodel.
HELOC is a home equity line of credit, and typically credit unions or banks will have this product available for you, and what they're doing is they're taking a percentage of that loan to value off of the equity in your property, so you can then use that. As money that's available to you and capital that you can deploy that would otherwise just be equity in your property.
So we took out a HELOC and found a great company to do that. Got a great rate on it. At the time, the rates for the HELOC were so low and so we deployed that capital immediately into renovating the downstairs. Awesome. It sounds like you have just a great knowledge and go about it in a very wise way.
One thing I'd like to talk about in regards to monthly rentals is, your up down duplex is they're not the same size one's larger, one's smaller. I think one's a three bedroom, two bath. The other half is a two bedroom, one bath. And I think that's the same with your new house hack as well, which is set up very similarly.
So what have you seen as far as. The different sizes on Furnished Finder and your occupancy, et cetera. Yeah. As far as Furnished Finder, there seemed to be a lot more two bedroom, one bath seekers, and that typically is in the range of 1800 to $2,400. And so those seem to go a lot faster in terms of renting, getting people to.
Want to rent those spaces a lot faster. The three bedroom, two bath tend to go a little bit slower, but that's where we see relocating families or families that are traveling to receive a new, member into the family, those types of things. And so it really works out. But the two one does go a lot faster than the three, two in those cases.
Yeah. On Furnished Finder, we have, our Furnished Finder.com/stats page. Also called our Market Insights. If you really wanna see, the bedroom counts and rental rates in your market, it's a great tool to go check out for. Any area of the country we're in all 50 states. Even small to midsize cities work very well on Furnished Finder.
Check it out. But as far as the occupancy goes how's the occupancy for your units on Furnished Finder? So far so good. We are booked out typically three months at a time, three to four months at a time. And our gaps are usually only about four or five days. So right now, like it's actually more of a challenge that we get a gap that's four or five days.
We don't ever wanna close it off, we just wanna invite those people in. But we look for those gaps that are like four or five days where we can go in and do maintenance. So yeah, it's been incredible. Smart. All right. Now let's talk about the bigger picture. You got the heloc, you took some risks, you've had great occupancy, you've had great tenants.
How has this income changed your bigger financial picture for your family and your long-term goals? Oh, yeah. It has been great. Better, really better than I thought that it was going to be. I didn't really expect that we would be hitting rates. Rentals like we are. And without taking away capital expenditures or maintenance costs or anything like that, we essentially make double what what is, so the mortgage is covered, the utilities are covered, internet, all of that, and we end up making another.
50% more of that. So yeah it's been incredible and that's what's given us really the confidence to do that again and do the up, got duplex and have more confidence knowing that the downstairs reds faster than the upstairs. It's the right move and we did the downstairs thing before ready to upstairs and have some downstairs guests so we know what it's all about.
So yeah, it's been great. Let's talk a little bit more about like why monthly midterm rentals is such a great choice versus short-term rentals or long-term rentals. And just so you all know, we through a survey we found out that our top 10% of landlords earn a, earn around 30,000 per year in rental income.
And this can be a. Just like Andre is doing. It can be just a room in your house. It could be a duplex, it could be, you go out and buy a new investment property. So it's a great strategy. But why did you Andre choose? You could have done long-term rentals, you could have done short-term rentals.
Why did you choose monthly midterm rentals as your house hacking option? Yeah, that's a good question. We, honestly, we tried everything. We thought about all of those different things and we thought we can short term rent. But the laws were shaky in the Lakewood area, the area that we had our property in.
So I didn't really wanna mess with that. And then we knew we didn't wanna do a longer term rental and have that be unfurnished. So we had just started learning about medium term renting. I thought that was probably going to be the best strategy. The thing that I like most about it is that. Person's not in the property for a long term.
So you get to get in there and do maintenance on the property, make sure that everything is running smoothly. But it's not that short term rental either where there's lots of turnover. But it was really forced on us by the fact that the regulations in Lakewood were not solidified. And then when they, by the time they did solidify those regulations, we already knew that we were gonna be moving into another investment property.
We were actively looking. And so all of that just made sense to do midterm and it's just been great. So we only focus on midterm strategy and we don't do anything but that. I think Lakewood is the perfect example. It's a suburb of Denver, and Denver has had pretty strict restrictions, actually. Very strict restrictions for a while.
And I think what tends to happen in a lot of markets is the city center makes strict restrictions and then those kind of seep out into the suburbs where, some suburbs might be okay for a while, but then they start to adopt more strict regulations for short term rentals and that can make it.
Really difficult. When you're trying to plan. Yeah, exactly. So midterms are an incredible shift. And in Denver, you and I are both in Denver there's a lot of need, right? There's a lot of travelers coming here. Yeah. For a lot of different reasons. What types of travelers have you seen the most or have, seen coming into your properties the most?
Surprisingly, like when I first got on Furnished Finder, I thought that we were gonna get a lot of traveling nurses. And that really didn't end up being the case. We found a lot of relocation, spec, people that were relocating people that were doing remodels, that were local people that were welcoming new family members.
So we'd have like grandparents that were coming in that wanted to stay for a month or so to help out with their grandchild. And that's been a lot of it. We've seen a lot of digital nomads as well, and we've seen a couple of travel nurses do all of this, but. It really has been a wider mix than just the travelers through furnished winder.
For sure, and one of the things I'd love to dive deeper into is the idea of all the Furnished Finder tools we have available are great for new landlords. For existing landlords. It just really helps streamline your. Monthly midterm rental business. So what are some of those tools that have made your life easier?
And specifically, I'd li love to hear about, some of the ones you've highlighted that you use, like the listing performance panel and rent payments. So why don't you start with the Listing performance panel? Sure. Yeah. So the Listing Performance panel, I use it mainly just to make sure that I'm getting visibility and I look at the booking stats and the direct inquiry stats.
So those kinds of things on the page really just tell me that. My listing is being seen, is being looked at. And I also, I'm a stats kind of guy anyway, so I look at that just make sure that it's meeting the same need as the other listings that I have. And then as far as the stats page, I really like looking at that.
That's actually. One of the things that helped us look at a property in Arvada, I just looked at what was available here, and then I also wanted to overlap that with what the demand looked like. That's always great as well. And then the other feature that I really like is when you're putting your listing together it'll automatically start to identify who, hospitals that are nearby, and it automatically reads out where they are. So you can look at those and you can see what level of hospital it is, and that also helps you to determine the kind of traffic that you'll get, especially from traveling professionals that are in the healthcare industry.
And quick pro tip, while it auto generates a lot of hospitals, you can put anything that really stands out in your area. So if your area is has a nice downtown area or has a lake or some feature that you wanna highlight that draws people to your area, you can add that there as well. Online Rent payments is one that you utilize through Furnished Finder and it definitely can make your life easier because all your tools are on Furnished Finder.
So what was that like getting set up with the rent payments and initiating the process with your tenants? Has it been like a great tool for you? Yeah, it's been a really great tool. I don't have to worry so much about all of the reminders that go out to the renders, and I think that's the nicest thing.
The other thing that I like about that is that I get that email when they get that email, so I know that they're getting those reminders. And so that's really just great to have that as a notification tool instead of that thing where I'm setting it up on my calendar and manually reminding people.
So it's taking a lot of extra workout. All right, Andre, I want to get a little bit more of your advice about this house hacking situation because I think it's something that a lot of people read about. It's very intriguing, right? Making income off of the property that you live in. And I think in certain markets like the Denver Metro market, it makes a lot of sense, right?
Properties are expensive out here, but some of them are. Older and might be set up in a way that you can close off a basement or you can do an a DU or you can finish off the garage. Like they're really they're really welcoming for that creativity. Sure. So I, I wanna know what some of your, maybe your fears or your hesitations were when you were coming into this house hacking adventure and what you would tell to someone who's maybe.
Sitting in a house with a basement they never use, or maybe sitting on a little bit of extra income potential. Yeah I would say don't be as worried about it. I think that a lot of people are concerned with having other people in the house. I had my wife and my two younger kids, a teenager, and then. At the time, a 3-year-old.
And I think that if you really just plan out how you're gonna lay that out and the securities that you can put in place, then I think the yield find between that and being able to background check people and all of those good things that you just end up with I call them upstairs neighbors.
I used to always call 'em our upstairs neighbors. And so you, you get to meet great people and. I cast that worry aside. 'cause I think to your point there is a lot of extra potential there to make some extra income. And I think that right now it it permeates a lot of things. One would be just making extra income, cash flow.
The other would be there's a lot of people that are losing jobs, right? So you can actually supplement that income there. Then the last one would be the interest rates where you can offset that interest rate or offset that mortgage payment with the income that you're making. So even if it's just a room or if it's a shared space, you're gonna find that you can do that pretty easily and there's a lot of resources out there to help you do it.
Furnished Finder is one of the best strategies with monthly rentals as the leader in this space to get started in just landlording altogether or to transfer your property from the long-term rental or strategy to the midterm rental strategy. It also supplements short-term rentals very well when you are, have slow season or just need a little.
Breather and wanna decrease the number of flips or you see those restrictions start to show up in your area. So I'd love to just wrap up our conversation here before we get to some fun questions at the end with, for someone that's just getting started. What was, what's the first thing you think they should do and reminder?
22% of Furnished Finder listings are room rentals or co-living spaces just, and that's what a house hack is, you're living on the same property with someone else. Room rentals, you're sharing the house with that person. And then of course we've got our entire units on furnished fund as well.
So what's the one thing you would tell someone to get started today? Yeah. That's a tough question. I would say probably go to Furnished Finder.com/stats first so you could see what the market looks like in your specific area to see what kind of travelers are there and then match your space up to that and get started.
I love that it's not us saying it this time. I love that you're doing the work. I love that you're using the tools. We have so many resources, and the stats page is huge, you guys. It's, yeah, it's furnished finder.com/stats. You'll need to log in. It's free to make your account right, but it's data.
And it's data to start with, and then. Just get in there and explore and try to explore it. If you're new to house hacking or room rentals or any of this, or you are just in the mode of consideration, think of it as. A way for adventure and optimism and what if it all worked out? Because for so many of us, it has.
I think it's easy to drive it by fear. What if something goes wrong? And I would encourage everybody to think a little bit more like Andre, like what if it goes right? Because it very well might. And it's, we're not doing rocket science over here. It's simple and we have so many resources for you available.
Finally, let's wrap up with our rapid fire questions. These are brand new. I'm super excited about them. I feel like we can make different rapid fire questions for everybody and only questions that you really might have the best answers to. So without further ado, let's go. First rapid fire question. What is one renovation tool?
You cannot live without one renovation tool. I cannot live without Pinterest. Ooh. I like that. I like that. Alright, next up, what's something surprising about housing guests while living in the same house?
Mini park. Oh, okay. Oh, tell us more.
It doesn't, you can let people know where they park. I send videos to people so that I, they can figure that out. But people color outside the lines all the time. We're all good with it. But yeah, that's a fun one. I like that. Okay. And you co-host with your spouse. If you were hosting a reality show, which role would each of you play?
He would play the designer for sure, and I would play. The guy that puts it together, finds the place, and then I hand it over to her. You're the implementer. The implementer, yeah. I like it. Sounds like y'all should be on one of those awesome TV shows. Let's go. Yeah, let's do it. It's been a great conversation with you, Andre.
Just for those of you that are thinking about getting started, three outta four landlords get housing demand within the first 30 days and booking requests are up 130. 3% year over year. And there's over 11 million housing searches per month. So there's plenty of demand and you only need around four tenants a year.
So there's we like to all encourage each other as midterm rental host. If someone calls and said, Hey, how's your property doing? Let 'em know. Give them your story of how your Furnished Finder experience is going. 'cause we're all in this together. So Andre, if someone wants. To connect with you, how would you like them to do yeah, so they could find me on Facebook under DRE Gz, G-A-L-A-V-I-Z, or they can find me on Instagram at five Deadly Venoms, spelled with a z. That's a fun one. Thanks for being with us and another great episode of The Landlord Diaries. If you're enjoying our show, please don't forget to subscribe, share this episode with a friend, and your comments mean the world to Katie and I.
So feel free to add comments on what you liked about the episode, what you wanna hear more of, and we'll catch you again next time. Thanks Andre. Ha. Have a great day everybody.
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