Experiencing the freedom of midterm rentals
For real estate investors and landlords, diversifying property management strategies can unlock new avenues for income while maintaining flexibility and efficiency. This podcast episode explores a unique experiment where Katie Lyon, Marketing Director at Furnished Finder (opens in new tab), handed over her management duties of 13 midterm rentals to a real estate team for two weeks. What ensued was an enlightening experience showcasing the robustness of well-implemented management systems.
Monthly rentals: The backbone of flexible investing
Monthly rentals, often synonymous with "monthly rentals" or "medium-term rentals," have become increasingly popular for their ability to attract monthly tenants while creating a balance between high turnover and rental income stability. Furnished Finder is at the cornerstone of this real estate niche, offering tools and resources to facilitate successful rental operations- tenant screenings, state specific leases and online rent payments.
The perfect takeover: systems and strategies
In planning her two-week vacation, Katie strategically chose Zachary and Amanda Palmer, seasoned real estate investors, to manage her properties. With Katie's rentals being predominantly in Iowa and the Palmers residing in Florida, this was also an excellent test of their remote management skills.
The Palmers were not only able to maintain operations but found that the systems in place made the task surprisingly manageable. Through meticulous documentation, including intuitive spreadsheets detailing everything from utility company information to handyman contacts, they seamlessly navigated potential issues. The key takeaway? Establishing strong, easily accessible systems is crucial for rental management success.
Lessons from the field: adapting and innovating
One of the major surprises for the Palmers was the ease of remote management due to systems like calendar management and tenant communication. Throughout the experiment, they shared valuable insights:
Documentation is Key: Katie's detailed approach to property details, like maintaining a “cheat sheet” for property codes and utility contacts, proved indispensable.
Responsive communication: Using tools like Google Voice allowed the Palmers to stay connected, ensuring timely responses to tenant inquiries, a critical component in maintaining tenant satisfaction and property efficiency.
Effective calendar management: Keeping the calendar up-to-date was crucial for coordinating tenant check-ins and check-outs, ensuring there were no scheduling conflicts, and maintaining smooth operations even at a distance.
Enhancing portfolio value with monthly rentals
The Palmers' experience of using both long-term and monthly rental strategies showcases the importance of flexibility in real estate investing. By opening up to more tenant types, including those with pets, and leveraging tools like Furnished Finder, investors can widen their reach.
They also discovered that monthly rentals can significantly contribute to mortgage offset, with smaller spaces like ADUs generating substantial income. For those considering such investments, understanding key metrics and detailed property preparation can lead to improved occupancy and tenant satisfaction.
Key takeaways for potential renters and owners
Katie’s experiment demonstrates the importance of:
Building comprehensive systems: From property details to responsive communication methods, having structured, accessible systems makes management smoother.
Utilizing available tools: Platforms like Furnished Finder offer vital tools for tracking and managing tenants efficiently.
Learning from experience: Embrace changes and adopt best practices from community feedback and data-driven insights.
To explore more insights and learn additional strategies, listen to the full podcast episode (opens in new tab). As the real estate market continues to evolve, staying informed and adaptive is paramount to achieving success in monthly rentals.
Final note: a collaborative approach to real estate success
The narrative of Katie Lyon and the Palmers highlights a collaborative approach to real estate, encouraging investors to expand their networks and learn from shared experiences. Discover how you can optimize your rental properties with Furnished Finder (opens in new tab) and tap into a supportive community of like-minded individuals striving for excellence in managing monthly rentals.
Episode 161 Transcript
Me and my family went out of town. We went out of the country for two weeks and we needed someone to completely take over our portfolio and manage it, and that was 13 midterm rentals at the time.
Welcome to the Landlord Diaries. The official podcast of Furnished Finder, your trusted companion for building success and monthly rentals. Zachary and Amanda Palmer are real estate investors with a passion for creating opportunities and building lasting relationships. Amanda is a realtor, and Zach is a full-time real estate professional.
When they're not growing their portfolio, they love traveling and spending quality time with their two amazing children. I'm really excited to see what the takeover was like for Katie's properties and what Katie learned from this as well. So let's go ahead and jump in before we get too far along in the takeover.
Can you give listeners a quick snapshot of your background in real estate and what your current portfolio looks like? I specialize in fix and flips. We currently have a long-term rental and a medium term rental that we have on Furnished Finder. And looking to expand, probably two this year.
I've been in real estate for a few years now. We left our W2 jobs to get into it together and we haven't looked back. So what was your guys' first thoughts and reactions when we were like, Hey, can you just take our portfolio and just. Can you just keep everything, keep the machine going for two weeks when we will be pretty much completely out of touch.
We were really excited at first because that's our whole game plan with all of this. We first started acquiring properties with the idea of long-term renters, and before I knew you were even with Furnished Finder, we had started the process of getting our new property. Renovating the guest house and furnished finder right away and saw instant success with it.
And I think I had mentioned to you maybe a week before you reached out to us, we had talked about, what does our future look like with these properties? How many could we handle? We're not there yet with multiple midterms, but we can do that. And then. I get the text two days later and we just looked at each other and we were just like this was meant to be, and we were just really excited to dive into it and see it was a good opportunity for us too, and to see what systems you have in place and the amount of properties you have and how you manage it.
It was a well-oiled machine, especially for us to just be able to take over and it was great to see that. Amazing. And what we haven't mentioned yet is while Amanda and Zach live in Florida, a majority of Katie's portfolio is in Iowa. So it was halfway across the country. And so I wanna know what surprised you guys the most about managing someone else's monthly midterm rentals?
I'll say I was surprised. It was actually easy. The systems that they had in place and Furnished Finder, as long as you have, are able to take in the phone calls, reach out to handyman slash property management, wherever the case may be. You can do it remotely. It's really not that bad.
Yeah. I would say that's the biggest hindrance to scaling in the midterm rental space is if you don't start with the first property building your systems. And Katie's done a fantastic job of this. So I'd love to actually hear from both Katie and the Amanda, Zack team of what systems did Katie have in place that made things easier for you guys being able to step into it.
I loved her spreadsheet. That was very helpful. What's on our spreadsheet? What does it cover? What was helpful? Everything. The systems, they use all the passwords codes for every property. Just little nuances that come up along the way. It's there, it's all laid out. So when we get that phone call, we wanna solve the problem right away.
If a tenant calls and we're on the phone for less than 10 minutes. They also had like utilities companies. Cable, electric, power the handymen that are, work at each location things like that, just in case things come up. I heard someone once say that if you do something more than once, you need to document it or you need to have a system.
But I think it doesn't have to be complicated, right? It just has to be something that's very easily accessible. Even if you have one property or you're renting a room, it's like knowing, okay, where have you documented how? How big is this? What's the square footage? What kind of mattress do you have?
Just putting all of those details in a place that you can have a source of truth and just something that is like an easy and easy reference to go to. 'Cause typically with midterm te tenants that they're asking very simple questions and they have very simple needs. And sometimes if the complication comes up, it's oh, the.
The tub is clogged, right? It's okay, I just need to know who to get out there, right? They're not typically I'm sure you guys in, in your fix and flip and in your your realtor life deal with much more complicated questions and needs from clients than your midterm clients. How do you feel like the needs of the tenants that were in our portfolio that you managed for a couple weeks compared to the midterm tenant that you guys have?
Because you guys have a midterm tenant that's in your A DU, correct? Yes. Yeah. Was it, and we're talking about completely different climates, like different type of property. Are the needs pretty similar? Did you observe? They are, and it's, yeah. The first couple of days when she was settling in, just basic questions about the house itself, which was helpful for us because now in my intro email, the two day prior to check-in email that we sent out for you guys, which we loved having that already in a template, I can add those things to it and and we don't mind the questions and we welcome it because it helps us to tweak our system as well.
So they, they were very similar to your tenants. Yeah, I think that's huge to remember, right? These guys are not, it's, they're not asking for anything crazy. No, not usually. I did wanna add before, back to the systems of how you had the the intros to your certain rentals. We definitely took that from you.
It's very helpful to have a preset, so that this is a set intro when they're coming in and checkout experience. Yeah, very helpful. And Kelly, you love a good template message as well. I know Kelly has some. I do. And Kelly's great with the template messages because her voice. Comes through them so strong and her little southern hospitality and just personality.
Gotta put y'all in. Great place to like you. It's a great place to add a little bit of how you are as a landlord and just why you care and why you're doing what you're doing and just to set that expectation. So I love that you guys have taken that and I think that's just a great tip that everybody can take is to just.
Sending a welcome message or hey, move in is in two days. Here's what to expect. And just really welcoming that. As I'm listening to this, I'm thinking, I don't think I could have someone take over. I need to look at Katie's spreadsheet to figure out how to put it all in one place. I'm thinking I've got it in five or six different places.
So I think what Dave and I have perfected is. I actually am really good at being able to do everything from mobile. So if we're driving to a friend's house, I can sit right there and send over the house rules. If we are talking to our cleaner and something needs to change, I just jump in there and I go change it and keeping your calendar up to date, all of those things.
So that's probably the part of the system that, that I really embrace the most is how to make everything mobile and take it with you. But I'd be really curious, Zach and Amanda. What did you find is like when you're, you have your own midterm rental on Furnished Finder. Now you've managed Katie's for a couple weeks.
What would be the first three things you'd check and set up for a midterm rental inventory? Taking pictures of everything and making sure that we have backup inventory as well. You forget that they're in there for a while. You might not change your sheets every week, but they will, making sure it's clean.
I check everything too. I flush the toilet. I want every client to have, or every guest to have the same experience and when they come back and revisit, it's kinda like a corporate business. You go to Dunkin and you know they're gonna make your iced coffee exactly the way you want it, and it's gonna taste the same.
I want our guest house to feel that way too, and they know what to expect and it'd be a comfortable visit every time. I actually really like that. I think you're like managing and setting the expectations, and I think that you are doing it through the eyes of a realtor specifically, which is something that, that Nate and I made us feel very comfortable because.
You guys are built for problem solving and you're built for quality, right? Like flushing the toilet. When you said that, I was like, you are doing that 'cause you are a realtor, right? Because you're used to walking into a property and being like, let me see how this machine works, right? Yep. Let's see how it's going.
And Zach has also been great because if we have there's little handyman things or things that just take that knowledge and that experience, like just having those different sets of eyes. Is really helpful. So if you are not lucky enough to have someone like Amanda and Zach who have those particularly experiences on your team, at least have someone you know, because, or have a cleaner who has that set of eyes because that's huge. You said something that made me. Think of my cleaner and how thankful I am for her and her team. When originally we started with midterm rentals, we're like, okay, we're gonna go find that Airbnb cleaner.
We're gonna go find that powerhouse company. And what we found is with the powerhouse company, they were sending different cleaners each time. So then you had some of the same challenges. And the one that really stood out to me was. When I went and checked the property and they paid attention to what I had asked, no hairs anywhere.
Make sure that, everything is spotless. But there was no shower curtain. Can you imagine like after a long trip across country wanting a nice hot, warm shower and you have no shower curtain? I was like, those are things that cannot be missed. You have to catch those. We've been through. A handful of cleaners and a handful of handymen.
But if you can find someone who's done some of that vetting for you, if you, and it doesn't have to be a property manager or someone to hand your portfolio over to if you're not ready for that or you want, if you enjoy self-managing or you have just one or two properties, it's. That's all good. But I encourage you not to start from scratch if you don't have to.
Ask for a referral. Ask for someone's opinion. Ask, Hey, does anybody out here have a handyman? We have an amazing Facebook group. You can connect with a local realtor like Amanda, or someone who is an expert in the construction and the fix and flip side, like Zach reach out there. Don't start.
From zero if you don't have to. And for things like this, there's usually no reason you have to. The cleaner we have right now who has been incredible is because we got so frustrated with trying new cleaners that we had just found on Google or Facebook, and we asked for a referral from someone.
And it was like, okay, we should have done that. We should have done that a long time ago. You live and you learn and you get through it. So you guys have mentioned your, a DU in the back of your property. And I wanna talk a little bit more about that because that was actually something really cool is right as you were getting that one up and going as a midterm, you are also helping us with ours.
So it was, mutually beneficial, I think, and I hope but I wanna know more about like, how'd you guys decide to do that? Did you build it from the ground up? Was it already existing? How long did it take you? What opportunity did you see? Give us the cliff notes of that journey. 'cause it's a big, it's a big deal.
It's a big commitment. But you're right. It is something that you'll be able to pass down to your children that you know from the real estate side, Amanda has added so much value to your property that you know you could take advantage of that equity later that you have created just with your own hard work.
CliffNotes are hard on this because we're so passionate about it and we have fun. It's all right if I start. Please do. Okay. We were living in another house, a bigger house. And one night I had went through a, I'm part of a veterans investing, a veterans only investing. And one night I, we went through an online training and I was like, okay, I'm gonna start looking for multi-families in the area.
And I found this house. And we know the neighborhood we used to live in, the neighborhood, it's close to. It's two streets over from the hospital. It's about a mile outside of downtown. There's shops and everything grocery store walking distance, so the location makes sense. So yeah, I looked it up that night, found it and said we have to have it.
This is, we'll own this forever. So we figured out. Everything made an offer. Got it. And when we looked at it, the guest house, it's just a small 455 square feet, one bed, one bath, but it was a nightmare. Termite damage, subterranean termites, dry wood termites hadn't been redone in quite a long time.
There was. Neighborhood cats around the neighborhood that I've been staying in the patio and somebody comes to feed 'em. So it stinks and it was a real nightmare. We have pictures and everything, but I had to rip out pretty much all the bathroom and kitchen. Yeah. And just to add to the neighborhood, so our long term rentals, two streets over from here.
So we were really excited to just get back into this neighborhood and we're not afraid to move. Our friends and family will tell you we've, I think we're on move 15. Oh my gosh. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. We do a living. My sister's like that and it's been working for us. Eventually we'd like to settle down, obviously, but this just made too much sense to pass up the opportunity to live in the main house and have that right next door to us.
And then our goal eventually with the main house is to do the exact same thing with the success of the one one. This three, two, I can't wait to see, more space. Larger home. It's a two one right now. So living with our kids in a one bedroom, one bath house is a little difficult, but it'll be worth it until I convert the garage over to a bed and bath.
But it was a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, and we had high expectations for the guest house, but it's been doing better than we even thought. And the feedback we get is great. So to hear that and know that all of our hard work is paying off. Is incredible. We get that paycheck every month to help us with the mortgage on this.
It just makes it all worth it. So what made you guys decide to do it as a midterm rental instead of a long-term or like a traditional Airbnb with people coming in for the weekend? That was all you. Just the location. Since we know the neighborhood, we used to live a few streets over. That's a long term right now.
We eventually wanna turn that into medium term as well, but. You can walk to the hospital if you're a nurse, downtown's less than a mile away. You can take a quick bike ride down there if you're a professional for stuff that's going down there. There's parks in the area. It's just, it's a good central location to stuff going on.
Natural. I thought a medium term, I had never heard what a medium term was, by the way. Yeah. But he's on podcasts every day for the last five years. Just learning and learning. And he said, Hey, I think this would be a good opportunity. I'm like, okay, tell me more. And then we started, the only website I knew was Furnished Finder, because I had helped a client move here two years ago, and she was telling me I'm a travel nurse.
I just go on. I said, how do you find properties to rent? I have a long-term rental shoes, no, furnished finder.com (opens in new tab). That's what we all use. So I looked into that and I said, okay, this makes sense. And then I saw the price points and I said I like that. And just comparing it to long-term versus medium just made more sense, especially in this neighborhood.
Yeah. How has it helped to offset your mortgage? Incredibly it's, we pay less than half now. I, yeah. If my math is correct, less than Oh yeah. Less than that. Out of a 400 square foot, a DU is paying more than half your mortgage. Yep. Yeah. 455 square feet. Yep. That's incredible.
And she's so comfortable, we see her all the time. I'm hands off, if they wanna talk to us as much as they want to, but. We couldn't have asked for a better tenant too, so we got lucky. I don't think you got lucky though. Like you, you went strategically with it, right?
Like you, you said traveling medical professionals are the type that we want, and I know you furnished that for a nurse or a medical professional in mind and the location is unbeatable and they would feel so comfortable, privacy, but they don't have a huge place they have to take care of. It's probably very affordable for them.
Like it's a win. Yeah. And you were really helpful and instrumental in, I remember talking to you when we had first listed it, and it was quiet when we had very strict parameters in place. No pets know this, know that. And after managing yours and realizing, wow, a lot of people travel with their pets, as soon as we opened up to that.
The bookings just, we were flooded, so we actually had to weed people out, which was fine. And, asking for references on the pets was great If we, pet insurance, that was all really helpful and made us more comfortable. We do take additional pet deposits as well. Just to help and most renters expect that it wasn't, crazy to ask for, thank you Katie, for convincing us to open our mind a little bit more to it because it worked out. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with starting like restrictive and seeing what happens or, yeah.
Starting with your price point where you're like, this would be my dream price point, and then narrowing it or tinkering with it, changing things so that until you get the results you want we I always say that with people when they see housing requests come in too, it's like. Just because someone says that their budget is say, $1,500, that doesn't mean that's what they'll end up paying.
So with midterm rentals, like it's a conversation. And that's something that you guys are very good at and just with understanding people's needs. Okay. I feel like you guys have learned so much, not only from taking over our portfolio for a couple weeks, but also creating your own MTR from the ground up.
Which is something that I can't say I've ever done is so cool. Like you guys have like really like you. You have the array of experience that very few people have. I would love it if we did just a quick little round table about what are one of the one or two of the hacks that you have learned that have made the biggest difference for your portfolio and the performance.
First off, I wanna say one hack that's important that I wanna circle back to from Amanda was saying is the aliases of this space, you can hear them called midterm rentals, monthly rentals, medium term rentals. So don't let it distract you. It's all the same space. And Furnished Finder is the home of monthly midterm rentals.
But as far as like hacks, I would say that. Like just being able, like I already mentioned, being able to do everything for mobile. I personally, I think what I'm gonna focus on for this episode is the Furnished Finder tools. I think the Furnished Finder tools, even with managing eight monthly rentals.
Come in very handy and allow me to be hands off and change my systems quickly. So tenant tracking, I live and breathe in to make sure I know who's coming to my space and where. Even if they book on Airbnb, I go track that in Furnished Finder tenant tracking. So that's like my go-to if I wanna know when my calendar's opening up.
And then I make sure that I keep my Furnished Finder calendar up to date. And one of my more recent hacks is as seasons change, some seasons may be steadier than other seasons but both Katie and I have, over 90 to 95% occupancy with all of our spaces. But you have even if you have a month of vacancy, that's still over 90% occupancy.
So what I have found is sometimes if I haven't had a booking and it's a. A week or two after my availability date, I always keep in mind I only need one person to say yes, and that's when I start looking at future bookings, right? Normally I don't wanna take anything unless it's within a couple weeks of my availability date, but if I, if it's not getting booked or I have a lot of interest, but no one's moving forward with actually pulling the trigger, then I open up to either, someone that wants to move in the future, and I'll put in my headline, okay, now it's available between these dates and it's shocked me that I've had bookings come in for even less than a month when I've been able to do it that way. So that's probably one of my more reset hacks that I've really enjoyed with managing the furnish funder calendar.
Responsiveness is key because I realized. People come in and they're so excited, or your place is great. If I take a day to respond, they've already booked with somebody else. And what I like too about the Furnished Finder tools, piggybacking on what you said, Kelly, is being able to see the matched leads and unmatched, because then we could be a little bit more flexible.
If we see someone who checks off all the boxes in terms of their criteria. We need to adjust on our side, whether it's price or dates available. If we can open something up for them, we use that to accommodate and we'll get more bookings that way as well. I have, I think, a couple hacks that I will share.
My first one is just to document your furnishings, which is tedious and sometimes makes me want to poke my eyeballs out when I'm furnishing a property because I'm like, I have to record the link for everything, but it will come in handy. Especially if you're like, oh, I need to replace that rug. Great.
Here's the link. Get the rug. And it makes it very easy. Like Kelly, you're saying to do it on the go or to do it mobile, you can just look Google Voice. I love Google Voice. You can get a free phone number and it works through an app. So Zach and Amanda were actually able to download Google Voice and log in and.
If anybody called it went to their phones, which was fantastic. If a text message comes through, everybody who is on the account sees it. So you can have multiple people. I've even had it where, we had a tenant who was dealing with some sort of maintenance issue and I was like, I am about to go into a meeting, or I'm gonna be unavailable for a couple hours, but this is like something I'm actively working on, alright. Nate, my husband or whoever's helping me out at that time, right? This was a while ago. Alright, I need you to open your Google Voice, make sure you're paying attention. So Google Voice is huge and really helpful. I'll say, making sure your notifications are on in Furnished Finder, and that's gonna go to that responsiveness because Zach and Amanda nailed it.
Responsiveness is key. And I will say with the responsiveness and just being a human and having some compassion and some personality, and that's where you guys were irreplaceable, right? And just so valuable. And I just encourage everybody, get to know your tenants, whether they're actually in your properties already or they're leads.
Get to know what they're there for. How you can help their stay be better. It might be as simple as they're like, ah, I love drinking tea. And you're like, cool. I don't have a teapot. Let me get you one. Like those little things go so, so far. And you can't really put a measure on it, but that's something that you guys are great at that.
I think everybody. In midterm rentals, there's still that hospitality, but it's just a different type of hospitality. Than something else. So I really loved working with you guys. In that nature as well. We did too. Thank you. It was awesome experience. I think this is a great time to transition to our ra fun rapid fire section.
I'll kick us off with the first question, which is if you could put anyone in charge of your properties while you're on vacation for two weeks, who would it be? I think we both know the answer to that. We want it to be a family business eventually. If I could get my mom down here to run the show, she has the personality, the drive for it.
She's still young, she's only in her fifties, and I wouldn't have to worry about, she's easily trainable too. She would be a great property manager, especially for a multifamily. Yeah. Awesome. She'd be wonderful to have down here. I love that. All right. What's one tool you couldn't live without?
When you had our properties under your belt, the calendar, yeah, the calendar was great and I really loved the live I think it was the Google sheet where you, we could put updates in there and you could also add updates as well. And we dated everything. So if a tenant came in with a, an issue that needed to be resolved, we made a note, checked it off, or made it in bold and we were able to communicate that way without.
Harassing you guys too much on your vacation. Yeah, no, that was great. And like the, I think that's proof to that, the fact that the tools don't have to be incredibly sophisticated. Google Docs, Google Sheets it's great. You don't need anything crazy. We even had, like I said, 13 properties at the time and we're using a Google Doc to communicate it's great.
You don't need to over complicate it. Agreed. Yeah. That did help a lot. All right. What's one real estate tip you wish you knew early on in your real estate journey? It is not as easy as selling Sunset makes it look, no I left healthcare to become full-time in real estate and I'm grateful for having the experience to work with the general public because that has only helped me with real estate.
But I think. Just listening to people and having compassion. And I don't treat it like a transaction. These are big purchases that people are making. And for somebody to trust me enough to help them with it means the world to me. For my side would be learning. You don't know a lot of things when you're starting out.
I didn't know what a cash out refinance was when we were first starting. And I wish I did because, it would've made things a lot better where we're at right now, but you don't know things. Education learning for me would be a big tip. Ooh, this is actually fun to jump into. Cost segregation.
If you don't know that term, go look it up and start using it with your monthly rentals. Yes, agreed. Kenny, for you, Katie? No, I think oh, a tip. I wish I knew early on. Uhhuh. Oh man. I think it's just to not over complicate things, right? I am a classic over engineer. It's not a word. I just made it up, but I do I am an expert in making things far more complicated than they are.
But this, it's not that complicated, right? Make a great property, get a great tenant, and then do it again. Yep. You only need about four a year on average. So when you're looking through all those tenant leads and getting frustrated, if someone's not responding well, just remember, this is a sales opportunity and all you need is one person to say yes.
That's it. Yep. And we love that there's so much less turnover with the monthly midterm rentals versus short term's. Great. Yeah, you can get your occupancy, but. It's just nice to have a six month rental in there. The same person you hear from all the time, because people are people, everybody's different.
They have different needs, so that long-term stay has been very nice compared to the shorter couple of nights when we stay. Yeah, I just looked up some stats. All of our three bedroom spaces have monthly renters that have been with us for over two over a year. Many are going on two years, and we have our longest is four years.
Wow. That's very incredible. It's been really nice. Yeah. Yeah. And I noticed with yours, Katie, while we were managing them, e everybody, almost everybody wants to extend, which is great. You want the same person in there. You know them, they're already there. So that's been nice and it's easy to do, everything through the app, through the website of Furnished Finder.
We love that. But that one-stop shop has been very helpful. You guys, this has been fantastic. I cannot thank you again enough for helping us go to Europe and chill for two weeks and not have to worry about anything. And just to, it's great that you guys were able to learn anything that you could for your own midterm rental, and we were able to learn from you as well.
So encourage anybody, even if you're, even if you're not. Heading over to Italy and you just wanna expand your network. There's something to learn, right? So reach out to someone in your space and figure out a way that you can grow from each other, because this is not simple. It's, or I'm sorry, this is not complicated.
It is very simple, but there's still room for all of us to grow and to get more efficient and to do things a little bit better. And when we do that. Together. It's even easier. So you guys are fantastic, and if anyone wants to connect with you, we always put your Furnished Finder listings in the show notes.
But as a realtor and a property management team in the making how would you like others to connect with you or follow you on social? I have Facebook or Instagram. You can look for me on Facebook. Just Amanda Palmer. My Instagram handle's the same one I've had since. Back in the days of AOL Instant Messenger, it's a man, duh, A-M-A-N-N-N-D-U-H-H.
I can't change it. I won't change it. A very active on social media. I try to keep a presence there and, people can call or text me anytime. I'm on Facebook. Zachary Palmer. And then my handles are Hurricane Palmer, eight, seven. Thank y'all for being here. If you're loving our show, we would really appreciate a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and just hit that subscribe button on YouTube and make sure your notifications are off, are on so you don't miss any Furnished Finder content.